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>> gretchen: saying good-bye with our beautiful lion cub. check them out at bush gardens, tampa. we'll see you tomorrow. >> brian: bye, everybody. thanks, bush gardens. bill: new concerns the white house is misleading the nation as lawmakers pose questions regarding the surveillance program. after claiming under oath that the nsa does not collect data on millions of americans. we know otherwise now. good morning. i'm bill hemmer and welcome to "america's newsroom." we shall not lie today. martha: we'll tell the truth.
martha: march 12 the director of national intelligence james clapper was asked specifically about this. >> does the nsa collect any type of data on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect but not wittingly. bill: the senator from oregon doing the questioning in that back and forth. what does he say about that answer knowing what we know today? >> reporter: senator widen says as a courtesy he sent director clapper's office about data collection a day before the hearing. now he has a big problem with
director clapper's answer. >> strong congressional oversight is absolutely essential in this area. it's not possible for the congress to do the kind of vigorous oversight that the president spoke about if you can't get straight answers. >> reporter: senator widen says he gave director clapper a chance to amended his answer but he never did. he said he couldn't give a yes or no on that question. he says the federal government is trying to minimize invasions of privacy. bill: what's remarkable is he knew the question was given in advance and was given a second chance after that hearing. how is the administration reacting on all this?
>> reporter: the latest update from the white house is president obama thinks director clapper is doing a good job. >> he thinks director clapper is straight and direct in the answers he has given and has engaged in an effort to provide more information about the programs that have been revealed through the like of classified information. >> reporter: senator marco rubio says he understands why people are upset about these program but he says there is a lot people don't know. >> some of the media accounts i read do not paint a complete and accurate portrayal. >> reporter: senator rubio says some details of those programs may become declassified to calm people's nerves.
bill: that's one issue for us. what about the future for eric holder. the justice department possibly involved in bringing charges against the leaker. but holder has problems of his own. we'll talk to someone who held that job, alberto gonzalez. martha: where is the government storing all that information that they are gathering. we have got plenty of information it's a heavily fortified data center opened last year in utah and they collect ma a data. collect -- they collect metadata. it's the backbone and searches of all that's going none this country. it cost $2 billion. it's five times the size of our capitol building.
it can hold a yottabyte. it's so big it blows your mind. puff no possible way to wrap your brain around it. there is no term bigger than that. it gives you an idea to give you this comparison. it's about the size of a thousand years worth of all of the internet traffic. it's mind boggling. the questions that surfaced about google's involvement in all of this. the company is fighting back. they are defending their role in these surveillance program. google's chief legal officer says the company deserves the public's trust. >> we think users can trust us. we think our track record has been very, very good. we respect user's privacy and we do our very best to deliver great services. that's why we think users use us, come back to google and we
hope to continue to earn that trust. martha: it's no surprise they want to get their message out. the google brand is a huge name in the internet. stuart, google is now saying that they were as surprised as anybody to hear about the extent of are we to believe that? >> reporter: google is the most powerful internet company in the world it's an icon of american business and its image is important to the country. it has 425 million active gmail users. it started out with the u unofficial motto don't be evil. you have got a snooping scan dealing. you have got an individual brent scott suing google because he
doesn't like google scanning his personal e-mails so they can target commercials and ads. then i have eric schmidt closely aligned with the obama reelection campaign. the image of google is on the attack and they are fighting back. they said to the government you tell the world it was you who forced us to divulge private information. so they are fighting back. because their image is clearly at stake. martha: their brand and credibility are everything. the ability to search on google, everybody who touches the internet comes across. it has absolutely made every one of us in this country think about the searches that you do and the things you wanted to buy. all of this is getting trapped somewhere. they will have to fight back
pretty hard. >> they are under threat in three different directions here. but image is everything. hard to get it back. martha: they want the government to stick up for them. tell them we didn't give everybody's information. very interesting ties with the administration and eric schmidt as well. well see how all that goes. thanks, stuart. let's turn our attention to turkey where anti-government protests are getting increasingly violent and ugly. watch this. these are some of the clashes that erupted overnight. riot police firing fare gas and powerful what for cannons. also armed with rocks and fireworks in some cases. the prime minister promises to
meet with a group of activists today. leland, what many the latest here? >> reporter: that meeting is going on right now between the prime minister and a couple of these activist groups. though a number of people pulled out because they said the violence yesterday was not conducive to any kind of talking. and they no longer were underred in making a deal. we -- they were no longer interested in making a deal. live pictures on your screen showing the square is empty. the police were able to clear it out using rubber business and teargas and brutal tactics as they tried to move through with throngs of riot police. protesters are gearing up for what they call the second day of war. he says he can't believe his government would do this.
he says they simply want to be heard. they are carrying milk and water. that's a local an i dote to the teargas. once again back into the square where we saw that violence that was so awful last night. martha: we saw president obama with turkey's leader a couple weeks ago,. very big ally of the united states. but the protesters believe he has become increasingly authoritarian and they are not happy about it. who are these protesters? what characterizes these groups to you? >> reporter: young secular people. you would think they were anybody you would meet walking down the street in manhattan. young, educated and they say the prime minister here is moving this country from being a
secular democracy towards an authoritarian islamic state. the park they wanted to keep as a green space and the prime minister decided he wanted to turn it into a shopping mall. that's what they were protesting when the brutal tactics started. he he said you don't have a right to demonstrate and if you demonstrate we'll send in the police to move you out. the move by the prime minister the past 10 years as he gained more power to move turkey towards an islamic state. also changing the education and bringing in a muslim education into primary schools in is stan bull and turkey making the secular protesters very angry. martha: let's give everybody a little bit more contact.
the demonstrations are in their 13th day. nearly the entire country is the muslim faith. most of them are sunni muslims. its government is a republican parliamentary democracy and has been a long-time ally of the united states. bill: istanbul is where leland is reporting from moment ago. there are several dozen across the country. turkey has a long water bored and it shares a common desert border with iraq to the east and a long border with syria. you know the issue syria has been having for the past 2 1/2 years. so far the matters of turkey have been contained within their own borders. the refugee crisis turkey and
syria have been going back and forth on. it's that country that connects the middle east with europe. so we are watching that. we'll see whether it flares up between as we move forward. >> we have a new round of severe weather to tell you about that's threatening a big chunk of the country. one in five americans could be in harm's way today. bill: it's dry in the west and there was a fire danger out there. four major wildfires burning in one state alone. 900 inmates also being evacuated. we'll tell you how that's going in a moment. martha: a new report detailing how the irs targeting of conservative groups first began. then erupted into what some believe was a larger systematic attack on ordinary americans based on their personal beliefs. >> i'm not interested in scoring
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martha: a lot of courtroom drama. this is the picture of ariel castro. he has pled not guilty to 300 counts of kidnapping and rape. you remember the three women who were held in his home in cleveland in his basement for close to 10 years in most their cases. that's just moments ago, a live report coming in a couple minutes ago from the courthouse in cleveland. that will be one to watch. bill: new details in the irs matter. a report showing how the targeting of conservative groups started in early 2010 and washington was aware of this.
low-level employees in cincinnati were the first to raise the issue after they noticed protests on television. alan colmes hosts the alan colmes radio show and mary catherine ham. does this chris thattize the issue? >> it's good we are finding out more information. they said i see these guys on cnn, they go on and say rock on with what you are doing and they end up in a black hole for two years. people in washington who should have known better knew about it. and nothing was done about it. bill: this employee said the
cases were basically in a black hole. >> the president should have gone the ahead of it as soon as white house officials knew about it. jack safer the group manager, a self-described conservative republican is one who elevated it to washington. all people who testified on this said the white house had no involvement. there is an attempt on the part of some people to implicate the white house but the person who spread this was a conservative republican based on these groups calling themselves the tea party. bill: i think it was john schaeffer and he did describe himself as a conservative republican. they are going to cincinnati and they are talking to employees trying to figure out what they did and when they did it and what reaction they got. she says she was micromanaged to death by an irs lawyer who worked in washington. every piece of correspondence
had to be reviewed by warn and she talked about -- reviewed by washington. and they were instructed how to handle the case. that's when they started gathering examples and shipping them up to washington'. that's where the story is. >> there have been various reports of the lawyer unit, the technical unit giving heavy guidance and requesting certain cases that be held up and we'll hear more about that as the review comes out. but the main thing is are they taking this seriously enough to make sure this does not happen in the future? i don't have a lot of assurances of that. lois lerner is still on paid vacation -- excuse me, administrative leave. and the inspector general was unable to get answers from irs employees about who might have been in charge of overseeing this. so i think those are indications
they are not taking this seriously. bill: she says i was asked to do tea parties and i wasn't equipped or set up to do anything else. she says other political groups were approved routinely. >> they say when they first saw the term "tea party" they didn't know what kind of group was left or right. all they knew of it was a group protesting against paying taxes and were asking for texas exempt status. that's how it got started. bill: there are questions that are not answered despite with elijah cummings said the other day. martha: now all of congress can say they have been briefed on the nsa program a day after the
president claimed they were already briefed. which is all that surveillance even accomplish anything? this is the big question today. former new york city mayor road you havey giuliani join us with his take on that. yummy, scrumptious bars. hmm? i just wanted you to eat more fiber. chewy, oatie, gooeyness... and fraudulence. i'm in deep, babe. you certainly are. [ male announcer ] fiber one.
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very quick. castro came into the courtroom and pled not guilty to the 329 charges he's facing. it was like last time in court. he kept his head down and did not make eye contact with anyone in the courtroom. the charges he faced today were for the first five years he held these women kidnapped. so more charges are expected to come forward. the county prosecutor stressing this is have much an ongoing investigation. martha: what an unbelievable story this has been. the prosecutor said he was considering the death penalty in this case. is that still on the table? >> it is still on the table. they are saying it's an ongoing investigation. they said they will not make that determine the nation whether to seek the death penalty until after all charges are brought forth. with the charges he's facing
right now for those first five years based on the minimum sentence he could face for the rape and kidnapping he's look at just over 3,000 consecutive years served. pretty much a live term and life sentence. martha: garrett, thank you very much. bill: are they going to be witnesses in that case? martha: it's an incredible shock and wonderful outcome those women made it out of there alive. bill: witnesses says those women are looking for apartments. one of them wants to learn how to drive. with all the debate over nsa spying does the massive surveillance program do anything to stop terrorists? a good question for the former mayor rudy giuliani. martha: a powerful storm system.
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martha: house lawmakers are launching a new push to modify the nsa surveillance program and there are questions about the effectiveness of this program. the agency has ramped up the program in the years since 9/11. former new york city their rudy giuliani has been there throughout this entire process advising on security at home and abroad. good to have you here today. >> i was there when the fisa court was established by president ford, then president carter made it a law. i watched the establishment of it and worked with it closely in its first 10 years. i know the court really well.
though its duties have expanded exponentially so it's a different court than it was back then. martha: this huge data center in utah. everyone is scrambling to say yes this is absolutely necessary. it's making us safer. my question is, is that data center and the money spent on it and what's lost in terms of privacy. is it effective? i think americans are all for it if they feel it's leading to something that's making is safer. a lot of people are questioning whether this program has made us safer. >> if you are a national security decision maker and you are worrying at 4:00 in the morning you are going to get a call that there is a plane coming in from london landing at jfk with a bomb on it. you want everything at your disposal immediately. even waiting an hour to go to
the court the airplane could blow up. martha: we are being told the data held there is just data and you have to file with the judge to say i need it. >> i'm not so sure about that. i think to get the content of the conversation you have to go to the court. i don't know the new program. a lot of it is foggy and that's part of the problem. but if you just want to find out if mr. x spoke to mr. y that day you can get that fact immediately from that computer. plus you can get the duration of the call and the time of the call. now if you want to hear what they say you have got to go to the court. you want to know, was that guy on the plane in contact with the guy sitting in brooklyn you think might be controlling the whole thing you can get that information in the super compute terms within seconds. martha: the president has said you have to trade off privacy to get security. and i think if the question is, are we getting the security we are trading off the security
for? i want to take the case of azazarzi. he. mike roarnlings and dianne feinstein say this proves it works. we already had the ability to track and access this guy. a lot of folks are raising a question saying it had nothing to do with the data program. >> i think the intelligence agency has made a mistake and the same with director clapper in come coming forth with the information. there is a lot of information. the reality is a program like this is enormously useful to the people who have to protect us. should it be as broad?
should it have more controls over it any would not like to see that but i can see why people would want it. there should be more disclosure of it to congress. these members of congress, republicans, democrats scratching their heads saying i didn't know. well, then something is really wrong here. that has to be corrected. martha: i think you are right. they do need to disclose. you have got to tell them this is how it works. this is what is protected. they are anxious to give people examples of things that work. that would help substantiate these programs. look at the bin laden raid. they were anxious to show people that everything they were doing is working. >>it is totally ironic a guy like snowden who was working there for 3, 4 months. 28 years old. high school dropout.
dropped out of the military. he has access to this information. but the united states senator and and members of congress don't have access to it. we have far more control over those people than people who work for booz allen. this is really absurd that he had access to this information. we should be going crazy over that. how could this guy have access to such sensitive information when members of congress didn't. martha: he said he could find his way into the president's blackberry. >> the man took an oath to protect the united states of america and he took an oath to follow the laws. he violated so many laws prosecuting will take forever. martha: thank you so much. see you soon. bill: there is a dangerous storm system and it is huge, too. so big it will impact one in five americans. a lot of rain, possibility of tornadoes. meteorologist maria molina is in
the fox news center are more on this. >> reporter: basically some largely populated cities will be in the path of this storm system. we don't have severe weather occurring but we have areas of showers across the city of bismarck and north dakota. and minneapolis-st. paul. and we have heavier batches of rain. as we head into later this afternoon and evening that's when the sun will be shining harder and heating things up. we are expecting to see that weather firing up. we are talking about large hail and damaging winds and even tornadoes possible from parts of eastern iowa into sections of the mid-atlantic. the greatest risk area is the area shaded in red. the storm predictions center has highlighted this area and basically stated it's under a moderate risk. we are talking about violent tornadoes possible in this area
and stronger wind gusts in excess of 70 miles an hour. and you are talking about places like chicago, indianapolis, included out here, even columbus and ohio. the area shaded in red. that's where you need to make sure you have a way to get those warning out today. take a look at more areas impacted by the storm or the path of it. atlanta, georgia, montgomery up into parts of the carolinas. d.c., richmond, virginia, and philadelphia and pennsylvania with the potential to see morer to mad i can activity. we are keeping an eye on this storm system throughout the day today. bill: we have a lot of rain already on the east coast. maria molina, thanks. martha: a change of tune when it comes to nsa surveillance. what vice president biden said about this.
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bill: is vice president joe biden changing his tune on the nsa surveillance of millions of americans? he has been quiet since this story broke last week. in 2006 senator biden made it clear he was not for this type of program. >> i don't have to listen to your phone calls to know what you are doing. if i can determine every single person you talked to i can get a pat earget -- i can get a pattet your life that is very intrusive. what kind of information do they collect that has nothing to do
with al qaeda. don't count me in on that. bill: alberto gonzalez, the former attorney general is with me live. you worked in the administration and you had arrows thrown at you when you were the attorney general. how do things change when you are in a position to make decisions about things that affect so many people. >> the level of hypocrisy that exists in washington knows no limit. i don't know all the details of what this administration is doing. in terms of what the bush administration did, many of the details are still classified or up known today. but what's being reported about what his administration is doing does sound familiar, quite frankly. i think it's too much to expect from this group in washington
today, an apology for the attacks that were leveled against the bush administration, but i thank you for doing what was necessary would be much appreciated for all of us who worked tirelessly to do what we thought was necessary and lawful to protect this country. bill: thing changes and your decisions change. when james clapper was asked whether this nsa thing was happening he said no, not wittingly. we know the democratic senator from gave him the question before the hearing then went back to his office after he said no. listen to the end of this answer he gives. >> strong congressional oversight is absolutely he mention this area. it's not possible for the congress to do the kind of
vigorous oversight the president spoke about if you can't get straight answers. bill: if you can't get straight answers. did james clapper lie? >> his answer is curious to me. i understand the difficulty about being asked about classified information in an open hearing. you have to be very, very careful. between there may be information here that may subject stancate his comment. but i found it curious given what was reported about what the government was doing. >> you are not going so far as to say he lied under oath. >> he's talking about classified activities. there is classified information that he has access to. i'm not prepared to say that. i'm prepared to say based upon the reporting, those comments seem curious to me. bill: i want to take you to another matter.
eric holder. he's in the hot seat. this is what he said with regard to weather reporters are being tracked, including james rosen, members from the associated press. >> with regard to the potential prosecution of the press for disclosure of the material, that's not something i have been involved or head or would think would be a wise policy. my view is quite the opposite. bill: did he perjure himself? >> the department of justice provide an explanation of those comments. they will do an investigation. bill: we know he signed off on the order. specifically as it applies to james rosen. now that you have those facts, does it change your interpretation? >> that will be up to the congress to decide.
and the department of justice will have to make a decision whether to provide further clarification regarding those comments. i'm not going to give an opinion as to whether the attorney general of the united states committed perjury. bill: he said he's staying where he is, he's staying on the job. does that surprise you? >> i know how difficult this job is. at the end of the day you are going to be involved in decisions that make some people happy and some people unhappy. whether the attorney general remains is really a decision for the president and the attorney general. the question i'm often asked is can he be effective in the morell vanlt question is is the department of justice still affected. obviously all of this is a distraction. so the attorney general needs to work extra hard to make sure the
individuals working in the department of justice are doing their job. bill: in your view is the department of justice cap -- cae under this leadership. >> the employees are working hard every day to do what's right for the american people. bill: thank you, sir. martha: we have an alarming report on how easy it is for thieves to steal your personal medical information. we'll explain why this problem could get even worse. the great outdoors, and a great deal. grrrr ahhh
martha: we talked about privacy concerns. now there is a new set to worry about. these involve your medical records. 90% of healthcare facility say their systems have indeed been breached at one time or another and some fear the president's healthcare mandate for making medical records electronic could open the door to that kind of thing. we have to worry about our google searches, our e-mails, and our medical records? >> reporter: the number 94% of healthcare institutions are breached, it's more like 100%. they just don't know someone has gotten in and stolen information. when things are stored on the web and in the cloud, that's the easiest way to get information.
it's people who want to exploit your personal data for their own gain. either steal your identity or get drug under your name. how they do it is shockingly simple. they start on google and put in key words like password, login, health. they brings them to the home page of thousands of web sites for hospitals and doctors' offices across the country. then they go to a government database which tells them what the short comings of these web sites are. how they can get in the front door and steal the information. it's open to the public, you can get on it any time. national verification web site. martha: what can you do to stop this? >> as an individual it's difficult to stop. as a first step you might want to look at your healthcare records each and every year. scan them. go to your doctor's office and look for them. see if the information they have
on file on the web is accurate and if it is your information. >> another thing to worry about. thank you. you can catch more of this on the willis report which is evolving and changing. it will be on at 6:00 and 9:00. what can people expect? >> we are talking how to spend less and live better. all kinds of things about your personal life. how to spend less and live better. martha: i need to watch that. bill: we are about to hear from the head of the nsa on the secret surveillance of millions of americans and an update onin these fires. thousands forced from their homes. just like you. with angie's list, i know who to call, and i know the results will be fantastic. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.
martha: fox news alert to capitol hill we are waiting for a couple of news conference in top house lawmakers, both the democrats and the republicans in dueling appearances this morning. that is going to happen in a do you mean of minutes from now. they are expected to answer some questions on the various scandals that are surrounding the white house right now, including the recent revelations about nsa spying. yesterday members of congress were briefed on that issue privately, so we may get a little more insight into what they learned. we will monitor that and take you back there when we figure out what is breaking out of that. fox news alert, the scandal at the state department that seems to be getting a lot more attention, it is now pushing back, the state department is against accusations that top
officials covered up sex crimes committed by a u.s. ambassador by shutting down that investigation. a lot cooking this morning as we get started in "america's newsroom" for hour number two, i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. it's all laid out in this internal memo from the inspector general. they claim the ambassador to belgium regularly ditched his security detail to pick up prostitutes. this is the white house's response yesterday. >> i want to make it clear the president has zero tolerance for misconduct by any government employee, and i think his zero tolerance for misconduct has been demonstrated amply throughout his presidency. we will not prejudge based on, you know, unfinished investigations by an independent ig. martha: here we go. steven hayse a senior writer for
"the weekly standard" and a contribute. they pushed back pretty hard on this from the state department yesterday, they said it was pre possible ter preposterous. >> they pushed back hard but we are left with a number of reports from agents in the security operation, also folks inside the state department's inspector general's office making these claims backed up with tkwaoe tails he details, i think very author tate tivoli from sweeping denials from the state department leadership who have every incentive to suggest that they weren't up to anything that was untoward. >> once again as we saw in benghazi, the question is the leadership of clip khreupb in the stathillary clinton in the state department. we were told in benghazi she never got the memos and not everything came to her desk. it appears we may be head ned a similar direction with this situation and similar names connected to perhaps protecting
her or preventing her with having to deal with some of this stuff. >> yes there was a statement put out in her name yesterday saying basically i knew nothing about it. you do have many, many questions. remember, these are not just sort of allegations that have been thrown out, they are backed up apparently by reporting. they've gone through the inspector general's office and you've got i think a very serious allegation that senior state department officials, you know, not only ignored these but actually sought to derail them, to end these investigations prematurely white house taking a deep look at the authenticity and the authority of the people making the claims. that is a major problem. if we weren't talking about all of these other scandals, this would be a story that would be dominating all of the newscasts and leading the newspapers across the country today. martha: it would be huge. we heard from jay carney that the president does not tolerate this and we'll see what that means and where that goes. steve, thank you very much. bill: new developments now in
this uproar over revelations of nsa spying on hundreds of millions of americans. we are waiting for new testimony from a top nsa director, expecting to get grilled by senators. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge, you have you busy days, girl, what has come out of the latest briefing on this matter? >> reporter: these briefings are a direct response from the nsa leaks with senior deputies from the justice department and nsa questioned on a bi-partisan basis on the patriot act itself. >> i can't blame anyone for having volte voted for it and perhaps being regretful now that they did, but i, myself, can say that i thought that reauthorization of the patriotic act, given the expansive necessary of section 215 was not something i was going to vote
for. >> i think we created a situation where we are are losing control. in we cannot guarantee the american people that we will protect your civil civil liberties and constitutional rights. whatever it is it needs to be repealed. >> reporter: keith alexander the head of the usa and cyber command after tuesday's full briefing on the data collection programs none lawmaker noting it was rare because of the level of detail. >> i'm saying briefings are one thing, specific information is another thing. i said it before i think, this is one of the first briefings i learned something. >> reporter: we'll have another full briefing for the senate on thursday with the same cast of characters if you will, senior deputies from the fbi, nsa, as well as some of the other agencies. bill: that last little thing that was quite revealing. >> reporter: that is shocking that statement itself. bill: you spoke to the top lawyer at google yesterday, what is their next move,.
>> reporter: google has sent a letter to the attorney general eric holder and robert mueller pressing them to allow google to release stats on how many counts are released to the government and under what circumstances. google's top lawyer says the reports that the government has direct access to its servers are wrong. >> there is no lockbox, there is no back door, none of the other terms that you've seen in the past few days. we comply with orders, we deliver information when we receive these targeted orders. >> reporter: this is a pretty significant push it's not just google but it's also twitter and microsoft as well asking for the justice department and the fbi to give them the green light to release more of this information to put it in context. bill: thank you. there is ol always bing. what is your take on the nsa controversy? send us a tweetwadibil tweet
tweet at bill hemmer. or at martha maccallum. our twitter feed was off the hook on monday with the amount of people reacting and responding to this h. lines are open today to express your view. martha: google has a lot of work to do they need to maintain their credibility and their brand. it's a big effort on their part. we'll see how it goes. here is a live look over el paso county, colorado where the wildfires have been burning up a storm and military tanker planes have joined that fight against a massive wildfire that is going on near colorado springs. the fire has destroyed at least 100 houses so far. boy, that is a lot of damage, a lot of folks that have been forced out of their homes, lost their homes. this is just one of four major fires that we've got that are on the radar right now h. and today's weather already making things a lot worse we are told. >> i'm not sure if my house is lost, i just don't know.
>> that's terrible, terrible windy and terribly dry, about this time last year i think when we had the big fire in the canyon. >> beautiful colorado, we have a lot to be thankful for but this is mother nature at her finest. martha: alicia acuna is live on the fire lines in money haoupl monument, colorado. what is the latest? >> those folks were from the black forest fire where we are near, near colorado springs. the fire is at zero percent containment and we are awaiting an update from fire officials this morning. from what the sheriff's department here has explained, what is so difficult in particular about this fire is that they don't have exactly one location, because the winds have made things so difficult. a take a listen. >> the fire is still pretty well scattered, it's not just one wall of fire, like this community has seen, it has spotted, flared up, spotted ahead, flared up and it's pretty
well scattered with a concentration of flames moving to the east and somewhat to the northeast. >> reporter: the expectation is that zero percent containment number will not improve that much, martha, because it was a warm night, this is a fire that started yesterday afternoon, whipped up rather quickly and they had to get people out of their homes. part of the problem the u.s. forest service says is that we had such a wet spring here in colorado, which was great at the time, however, it also caused the weeds and grass to grow, just exponentially, then the hot temperatures came, dried everything out and left fuel literally all over the state for the blazes. martha: what is happening with theee evacuate oo evacuees? >> it is expected to be expanded today. thousands of people have been pushed out of their homes from
this fire. in addition to that a lot of animals have had to be evacuated. the new life church near colorado springs has a very large campus, that is where they are sending evacuees at this time and they are expecting to receive more today. martha: thank you very much. we'll see you later. bill: watching that closely. eric holder, susan rice, claims clapper, does the obama administration have a problem with the truth? key officials in the white house caught being less than forthcoming you could say. former white house chief of south john senunu is there live. we'll talk to him. martha: we sure will. is the nsa leak era dead man walking? we'll have judge napolitano, could the government really try to assassinated ward snowden? some are saying that. we'll talk about it. bill: the high profile murder trial, day three, of george zimmerman. attorneys on both sides apparently running into a problem. we'll explain what that is about as zimmerman's own brother fights back through the media. >> i think it's great that he got to meet the jurors.
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witnessin wittingly, not knowingly. earlier this month lawmakers were investigating whether eric holder purge injured himself. he sa*eufpld he had neve said he had never been involved in a potential prosecution of any journalist. we know that turned out to be different with the case of james rosen. u.s. ambassador susan rice has been under fire for calling benghazi a spontaneous attack. after they knew it wasn't that. she did that on five shaubg showtalk shows. i'm talking to john senunu who served as white house chief of staff under george h. w bush. welcome. >> it's good to be here. martha: when you hear that laid out what goes through your head? >> this is a culture and a pattern of deception that shouldn't be a surprise. everything like this is set at the top, and you go back historically, you have president
obama when he was a candidate talking about undoing all the bush executive orders, and closing guantanamo, and being the most transparent administration in history, back in 2008 when he was campaigning, and then he gets to be president and you've got the misrepresentations on obamacare, your insurance rates are going to go down, you're not going to lose insurance, and we find out now that that is all misrepresentation. you saw -- you brought up what susan rice did, and the president himself going to the u.n. misrepresented that. you have the i.r.s. situation, you have the ap situation, when the president sets the tone the others in the administration follow. and the president has made it easy for these other folks to feel that it's okay to misrepresent and lie, to be blunt about it, about whatever is information to the
administration. martha: i get your point and i think most people would say they wouldn't be surprised to hear john senunu, you know, making these charges. >> they are not charges, they are facts. martha: okay. but my point is that we are now hearing from people that you would not expect to say necessarily things along these lines, like "the new york times," for example, and let's pull up this quote from a recent op ed which says that the administration has lost all credibility on this issue, and this is with the nsa dragnet as they called it. mr. obama is trueing the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it. i would also point people to dana milbank in "the washington post," i believe this was in morning or maybe yesterday morning,er said all of this should have gone through a democratic process, this nsa surveillance program. he also is pointing the finger at congress because he's saying they had opportunities to learn more about this program, and none of them, or a lot of them
didn't take advantage of the opportunity to learn, then they are all screaming, well we weren't told, we weren't told. then they come back and learn about it yesterday, and they are not happy with the disclosures. so, you know, there is a lot of -- th "the washington post," new york times, plaguesess that you would not expect to be so critical of the president in these cases and they are. so where do we stand? >> let's go back to "the new york times" quote, they added, on this issue, after they first put it -- martha: right. >> and milbank now criticizes the administration but then shifts it over to congress. so, even though they are beginning to acknowledge this. they can't help themselves in trying to protect this administration. we can only hope that they get to a point where they recognize that they've got to be honest -- i'm talking about the press now, they've got to be honest about the dishonesty in this administration, without trying to give them a but answer at the end, but they did this.
but someone else did that. martha: let me ask you something about your own personal experience in the white house. no doubt this is rattling the west wing. they have a lot on their plate right now. >> right. martha: you were in the white house, you know, eve takes incoe point or another. what does this tell you about how they are operating there, and how is it different from how things opted when you wer operate operated when you were there? >> look, they are h u.n. kerin down. the president brought in susan rice in because he is extremely come northable with here. you see the white house staffed with a full comfort factor and that is because the president wants to have people there that he knows are not going to get off this pattern of saying, whatever is necessary, to cover the president's tracks. we had a fairly -- in smit spite of what people do in terms of comparisons we had a fairly
open white house because i was working for a president that even his enemies acknowledged was direct, straightforward, honest and likable. and george herbert walker bush wouldn't tolerate this kind of stuff in the white house or in the agencies or departments, and they all knew it. martha: would you like to say happy birthday to him today? sph happ >> happy birthday mr. president. he'i'm going to give him a call later and say it personally. but happy birthday. martha: great to have you with us as always. >> good to be here. bill: two weeks of violence, a key u.s. ally at battle with its own citizens. what this could mean for an already unsettled region today. martha: see what happens when a 300-pound shark hits the deck. >> this shark charged the boat. i'm hanging off the starboard side of the boat with the rod, i moved out of the way, he jumped
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skwraop just when you thought martha: just when you thought it was safe to be in the boat in the water this 8-foot 300-pound shark jumped into the boat of fisherman off the coast of new jersey. >> we were standing right where you are standing, we were standing there and we both said to each other, he's in the freakin boat. martha: you heard him that's what they said to each other. they are having a great time. the fisherman say that this monster started jumping as soon as they hooked it i might add. the shark didn't voluntarily skwrup jump into the boat. it was on its fourth leap that it jumped into the boat. it took them 30 minutes to get it under control. it did some damage to the deck.
but they have a good story, they are having a blast. bill: the freakin deck. this thing is on the freakin deck. martha: did i tell you, did i tell you he was right here on the freakin deck. my new jersey brethren, we love you guys. bill: well done. day three jury selection murder trial of george zimmerman. lawyers may get to ask more detailed questions of the people left in the jury pole. phil keating live at the courthouse there in sanford, florida. there is a potential group of a hundred jurors, they were told last night not to come to work today but to remain on call. what is that all about, phil? >> reporter: it's reflective of the slower than normal pace in seating a jury when you have such a high profile, highly publicized case as is the george zimmerman murder trial. the defendant charged with second-degree murder but who claims self-defense, he is again in a suit and tie. the parents of 17-year-old
trayvon martin shot and killed by the defendant, on hand again today as they intend to be every day of this trial. here is where we are so far after two full days of jury selection. 200 people summoned here to the courthouse, 112 dismissed. 15 have been questioned in the courtroom by attorneys. we are now on number 16. and something we have not seen in the first two days here, today court began with judge debra nelson doing the questioning of george zimmerman. >> your attorneys made some decisions about some potential jurors. did they discuss those with you? >> yes, your honor. >> are you satisfied with those decisions? >> yes, your honor. >> thank you. bill: the court announced last night the goal here is to whittle these jurors down to a group of 30 and then further probe them with even more questioning and if we can get to a jury of six people with four alternates out of that first group of 30 then we begin, otherwise we start from scratch, do all this over again, a
hundred people show up and try to get to a second group of 30, et cetera, bill. bill: i know you've noticed we are seeing a whole new george zimmerman in theourtroom it would appear. >> for the past 15 months, bill, he's basically said not a word, didn't really interact with his attorneys, but yesterday we took some clips of george zimmerman there. for the first time i've ever seen in 15 months of covering this he had a huge smile on his face, granted it's been a trying 15 months for mr. zimmerman, not much to smile about. he was writing down notes, passing those to his attorney. at times you could see how exhausting the repetitive questioning nature of jury selection is trying to keep awake in there, certainly a much more and and a phaeulted animated george stkeupl. he does admit killing trayvon martin who was under school suspicion. several jurors remember he was not only waring a hoodie, others remembered he was suspended from
school. martha bill: phil keating, thank you that trial continues. martha: where in the world is edward snowden now, and what is his next move? former presidential candidate ron hall says that he's worried that edward snowden could be targeted and assassinated by his own country? we'll talk about that that coming up. -p what makes your family smile? backflips and cartwheels. love, warmth. here, try this. backflips and camm, ok!s. ching! i like the fact that there's lots of different tastes going on. mmmm! breakfast i'm very impressed. this is a great cereal! honey bunches of oats. i hear you crunching.
martha: as promised phoepltsdz ago the top house republicans did speak briefly to reporters about the recent scandals emerging in washington. here is house majority leader eric cantor on this. >> over the past few weeks there have been stories after stories that have eroded the trust in our government. and americans shouldn't really have to worry whether their government is going to hold their political beliefs against them, as it seems the i.r.s. is doing, or whether tear government is telling them the truth. so i think it is imperative for all of us here in washington to work together to restore our trust in government, and that includes the president and members of his administration. martha: he went onto say that the house will continue to hold serious investigations into potential wrongdoing, so there is that for you this morning. bill: we've got new information
about edward snowden he is quoted in a hong kong newspaper moments ago saying that he is neither a hero for a traitor. judge andrew napolitano fox news senior judicial analyst with me on this one. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: he says i am not here to hide from justice i'm here to reveal criminality. my intention is to ask the courts and the people of hong kong to decide my fate. do you have a problem with him talking about that that way in hong kong? >> i think he's in hong kong because the reporter to whom he has been giving the information is based in hong kong. glen greenwald. i don't have a problem with that. he's entitled to site the protection of the court of the country he's in. bill: he says he wants hong kong to decide his fate. the story is all about americans. why isn't he in washington d.c. making statements like this? >> he wouldn't be free to speak if he were in washington d.c.,
he'd be arrested. the court where he's located will decide his fate, not his ultimate fate but his next fate, that is whether or not he'll be extradited. if he was in iceland the court in iceland would decide whether or not he's extr exextradited. bill: do you think the u.s. government will go off him and present him home or not? yes i think the u.s. government will go after him in the opinion of the u.s. government, the obama administration and the intelligence community violated his oath to keep secrets secret. in his opinion he also took an oath to uphold the constitution and that is a higher obligation and his obligation was to expose the secrets when it violated the constitution. he chose which oath to com comply with and what oath not to comply with. bill: we brought you in to talk to mr. ron paul. i appreciate you can react and turn on a dime. this is what ron paul said about the possibility of a drone
attack on snowden. roll this and we'll listen to it. >> i'm worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile, or a drone ms. h missile. we live in a bad time where american citizens don't even have rights, and that they can be killed. but the gentleman is trying to tell the truth about what is going on. bill: what is going on. hyperbole or what? do you think he went a little too far? >> here is the problem. the president's use of drones to kill americans is patently, clearly and unconditio conditionally unlawful. but the president has done it and established his own rules for doing so. the congress never stabbed the rules, the courts never established these rules. bill: a good example the american living in yemen. >> one paul's fear is the president might establish a newette set of rules to enable them to take mr. snowden without so he doesn't have to go through the messiness of a trial which
would expose more. bill: the aclu says this it is equivalent of requiring every american to file a report with the government of every location they visited. every person they talked to on the phone, the time of call and the length of every conversation. the program goes far beyond the permissive limits set by the patriot and is a gross infringement on the freedom of association and the right to privacy. is that at the core of this? >> that's the a the core of this. that's why you see democrats, as well as republicans. even one of the authors of the patriot act want to revisit it now because they see the abuse it brought about in the hands of the executive branch. bill: james sensenbrenner a republican from wisconsin was on our program last week e said this is a dragnet you can't go out there and collect all the information and keep it and hold it. >> the whole purpose of the fourth amendment, the requirement for a search warrant, a search warrant with specificity, quote, particularly describing the place to be
searched and the persons or things to be seized, close quote, a precise quote from the amendment is to stop and prevent dragnet and fishing expedition. bill: the government hasn't explained it fully. all they say is it's been going on since 9/11 you should have known about it. even members of congress were told they knew about it and they came out and said they in 2013 you use the example of terrorism but if you're storing the information to infiniti what skis do you use in 2022, or 2033? is it no longer terrorism? is it your taxes, health records, financial records, your politics, what is it? >> the founders didn't have a probe like this but they did mistrust the executive branch of the government with pours that could be abused. you and martha read a great quote from "the new york times" not too long ago, this proves president obama's abuse of this
power proves that when unlimited power is put in the hands of the executive it will be abused. what makes it unlimited? the lack of fidelity to the constitution. bill: judge, to be continued. >> absolutely. bill: thank you, sir. >> any time, bill. bill: at ease counselor. >> thank you. martha: anti-government protests are getting ugly now in turkey. heavy fighting between riot police and demonstrators, unbelievable images that we are seeing out of istanbul, look at the streets there. the unrest may disstabilize a critical route for the military and a wider region. what it could mean for those individuals and here at home. bill: san antonio spurs return serve against the miami heat. they routed them last night 113-77. game three of the nba finals goes to the spurs. two games to one. game four is tomorrow night in san antonio, along the river
i'm firing. [sound of gunshot] 4. >> back up you son of a. [bleep] back up, get the hell out of here. get your butt out. now. >> did you hit them? >> i don't think so. >> the deputies are there, i need you to put the gun down, okay? >> the gun is down. bill: well done yes 1-year-old suspect arrested an apologized. as for mrs. cooper she says her own actions surprised even herself especially the strong language she used. >> i am a christian woman and i'm very proud of it, and i don't curse, but after i shot, rage took hold, and i just blasted away, and in fact my husband afterwards he says, i never heard you talk like that. bill: she says she does not regret defending herself or her husband, he's 85 years old, a world war ii veteran who uses a wheelchair. you saw him there. martha: nicely done on her
part. she said i put the gun down, the deputies are there. it's all good. all right. we want to go to this fox news alert now because in turkey it is erupting with protests. there is a live look right now hat a fairly calm scene this evening. this is file from when it was not so calm. right now we're told that it is, in the nation's capitol in istanbul. these are the images from last night that we have as thousands of anti-government protestors stormed dozens of cities across the nation. police fired water cannons, as well as teargas. protestors set the cars and road blocks on fire. it is a very, very tense and volatile vicious with our allies in turkey on the ground on this hour. wali is with me now. explain to everybody at home what is the nature of the protest? what is it that the people on the streets want from their government and their leader? >> martha, what began as a just
simple protest over a park in istanbul a few days ago has become with time and we see it now across turkey, 40, maybe 50 cities, is a generation protest movement. these are young men and women who when the party in power now came to power ten years ago were very young. they didn't see the previous military regime, or the previous government, secular government. what they saw was a government that pushed back for some sort of democracy against the military, but then started to push back against secular values. and these young people are defending secular values against what they perceive is victimization of the country. martha: is there a comparison, we've seen the arab spring and the growth of the muslim brotherhood in places like egypt, is there a comparison here that is apt do you think? >> it is not similar but it very comparable in the sense that most of the countries of the
arab spring there was no democracy before, there were no real political parties vying for elections in egypt, in p in libya, in tunisia and syria. in power in turkey today you have an islamist government as in egypt, tunisia and in 4 syria. they want to impose that in turkey and civil society now has felt that pressure and they are rising against it. martha: we've seen in recent weeks with the president of turkey and president obama talking, obviously they have been a close ally over many years. what is the u.s. position, what should it be in your opinion in terms of the protests? >> you mentioned in the introduction, turkey is a nato ally, it's a very critical ally on the one hand, on the other hand the policy of the turkish
government over the past five years has been a little bit different than other nato allies. for example the turkish government has been at order with israels, another american ally and has been close to sudan a country with whom we have a lot of problems. after the the same time the united states needs turkey with regards to syria. we cannot do much in syria if we don't have a stable government in turkey. so i'm assuming that president obama is going to be talking to the prime minister of turkey about the possibilities to calm down the situation, stabilize the situation, so that the obama administration this week, by the way is trying to find new plans for syria, can have the help of turkey. martha: how do you think this -- where do you think this goes? is it likely to get worse or is it likely to settle down for the reasons that you just mentioned? >> i spoke with people in government in turkey and also in the opposition and with ng organizations. the general feeling is this is something very new to them, they have not projected it and civil society in turkey is determined
to get to a real democracy, a democracy where there will be no implementation the way they say it. martha: thank you so much for shedding some more light on it for us. good to see you. bill: especially yesterday afternoon when you watch when night falls in istanbul you wonder how much this is going to go and see whether the government can get a handle on it. martha: the water cannons being set on fire by protestors, it's a volatile situation. bill: jon scott is coming up now, right now. jon: happening in 12 minutes. we are continuing to digest the implications of the nsa spying on americans. we are awaiting what could be fireworks on the floor of the house, and a senate committee. what changes might we see in the government's super secret spying programs? charlie hurt, ambassador bolton, senator mark bagich and juan williams all hear to weigh in. live in-depth analysis coming up
martha: a 12-foot alligator decided that it was a lovely day tow lounge around in a neighborhood in georgia. somebody called animal control after spotting this massive reptile under the porch. really? they say that he was anal tated. noagitated. not good. >> they said look over to your left. i looked right here in this corner right here and saw this big old something, and i said, good god all mighty there is an alligator. [laughter] martha: oh, my gosh. bill: classic. martha: that is a surprise, right? well the gator is no stranger to the area. folks have reported seeing him
around just a few days ago, sneaking around. he's looking for the right spot. look at that guy. they captured it and drove it to a swamp miles away. hopefully it will take a while before he finds his way back to that man's porch. bill: look to your left. i looked to my left. martha: can you imagine? bill: i don't want to. serious new questions about the secret court at the center of the nsa snooping scandal as we learn that orders granting requests for programs like the one justice covered are rarely if ever denied. shannon bream on the story in washington. what is the government's track record here, shannon. >> reporter: to give you a sense much the government's success rate. we researched all the questions. there were 18,748, only ten were turned down. supporters of the program say there is a good reason for that. here is the director of foreign policy studies at the heritage foundation. >> the reason that there are so few overturned or turned down, if you will, is that the
intelligence community knows the rules, understands what the parameters are, and they really, really work over time to have the package done as well as possible before it ever goes to the judges. >> reporter: even if they take a request to the judge and find out it's probably not going to succeed they are allowed to modify it and then go back again, and, you know, that could account for the high success ses rat rate as well. bill: what are the skeptics saying. >> reporter: the aclu says the secrecy surrounding the courts and it's not an adversarial proceeding, they say it's the government making its case without an opposing party they say its unfair to the public. they filed a motion with the court with the fisa court asking them to release 0 information on what they have issued. >> it's so telling that few of these applications are denied. it raises the stakes of the importance of the public's check
on nothing exactly the bound of the government surveillance authority and the way the court is interpreting them. >> reporter: a bi-partisan group of senators led by mike lee and jeff murkley have introduced a measure that would require additional accountability. it would require the attorney general to declassify fisa opinions after the court has made that decision so average americans can see what is going onto the extent they can without it harming national security. bill: big story, shannon bream in washington. martha: we are awaiting an update on the fires raging in the west. we showed you more than a hundred homes have been burned out there and they are having a very tough time, including hundreds of prisoners who h form this fire as well. the fight against the fires coming up straight ahead. hoo-hoo. hoo-hoo...hoo-hoo. hoo-hoo hoo. sir...
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martha: babies seem to be coming all over the place these days. prince william and kate middleton are expecting their first bundle of joy. mid july is the bet, and they are hoping that they will get a bounce from the baby to help the uk's struggling economy. consumer confidence flat there, if they can sell blue things or cups with the baby's name on it or pink things that would be helpful. bill: a bib. martha: something along those lines. bill: you have a moment that you share with us every day. martha: this has become an issue. listen. what do you think that is?
bill: i know what it is because -- martha: that is the sound of the see cad secadas when i leave my house at a 5:00 in the morning. bill: that is sci-fi. martha: they are everywhere. articles tellings you it's not as bad as they said, it is. and that's proof. thank you, everybody. see you on the radio with brian. jon: ha fox news alert and a news conference happening on four major fires burning across colorado. the el paso county sheriff's department giving an update as crews battle the flames. already tkoltzs o dozens of homes are gone forcing thousands of people to flee to safety. the first fire burning in the black forest area northeast of colorado springs while another fire led to the evacuation of 900 inmates from a state prison complex. this map showing where the fires are burning across my home state. we'll bring you the latest information as we get it "happening